12 reasons gays shouldn’t be allowed to marry

NOTICE: This list uses sarcasm to point out the ignorance of arguments against same-sex marriage. It helps if you read it with a sense of humor. Just for the record, I am gay and support marriage equality for all.

  1. liberty_justice_gay_marriageHomosexuality is not natural, much like eyeglasses, polyester, and birth control are not natural.
  2. Heterosexual marriages are valid because they produce children. Infertile couples and old people cannot get legally married because the world needs more children.
  3. Obviously gay parents will raise gay children because straight parents only raise straight children.
  4. Straight marriage will be less meaningful, since Britney Spears’s 55-hour just-for-fun marriage was meaningful.
  5. Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and it hasn’t changed at all: women are property, Blacks can’t marry Whites, and divorce is illegal.
  6. Gay marriage should be decided by the people, not the courts, because the majority-elected legislatures, not courts, have historically protected the rights of minorities.
  7. Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are always imposed on the entire country. That’s why we only have one religion in America.
  8. Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people makes you tall.
  9. Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage license.
  10. Children can never succeed without both male and female role models at home. That’s why single parents are forbidden to raise children.
  11. Gay marriage will change the foundation of society. Heterosexual marriage has been around for a long time, and we could never adapt to new social norms because we haven’t adapted to cars or longer lifespans.
  12. Civil unions, providing most of the same benefits as marriage with a different name are better, because a “separate but equal” institution is always constitutional. Separate schools for African-Americans worked just as well as separate marriages will for gays & lesbians.

Source

UPDATE: As everyone knows, same-sex marriage is now legal in the United States. Even so, this post from 2006 continues to be one of the most visited on my site. Although I didn’t know who the original author was when I first posted it, I recently discovered it was created by The Gator Gay-Straight Alliance at the University of Florida. Enjoy!

Author: Brian

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379 thoughts on “12 reasons gays shouldn’t be allowed to marry”

    1. Like disease, famine, death, the part of your brain and hormone that makes people gay and all the other bad things that we always blame on humans. Nobody bitches about gay penguins that pair for life ruining the penguin population. Maybe you should study real facts and not the made up crap and fables that are written in the bible. I can prove what makes people gay, can you prove that a God created everything.

      1. How is it you can prove what makes people gay when many scientists cannot? Are you just that gifted? Although scientists claim that their could be biological factors that influence “gay-ism” psychological factors are the ones that actually deem a person “gay.” You’re an ignorant imbecile, why would you question whether someone can prove that God created everything? First of all that’s faith for you, that’s how you prove it. Second most, if not all, science explanations are based off of theories, not actual statements. A theory is just a system or set of principles that someone uses to base some practice off of. For example, Big Bang Theory, Evolution. If this evolution is as real as scientists say it is why is it that us humans have not evolved, why is it other species haven’t evolved?

        1. Humans have evolved drastically from the first fossils that date to 200,000 years ago. Evolution doesn’t happen in a few hundred or even thousand years. It is very gradual.

          Also, faith doesn’t prove anything. Faith is belief, and people can believe in anything. Science starts with a theory – which scientists try to prove or disprove through various forms of study and experimentation. A theory is not represented as fact until it is proven so, hence the name Big Bang Theory. With faith, people believe something regardless of how much evidence there is to the contrary.

          While you are correct that science hasn’t provided a concrete “reason” for homosexuality, there is ongoing research to try to do so. Scientists don’t say, “This is what Christians believe, so it must be so. Let’s not look into it further.”

          1. WTF did I just read?!?!?! You actually pulled this unsanction, unscientifically unproven B.S. out of your pathetically uknowlegeable a**! Who the f**k do you think you are?! Telling comsenting adults who they can and can’t marry. I guess those same sex couples shouldnt be forced to pay the full amount of taxes the government requires, seeing as their basic civil right as an American in the land of the f*cking free is being challenges by a waste of air and space like you!

            You’re not God, as a matter of fact you’re a nobody! Shut the h*ll up, trying to pass B*ll Sh*t as scientically proven. Ha! How about you stop worrying about two consenting individual’s sex life and pack for your place in hell because having unmarital sex is a G*d d*mn sin too you d*mb a**!

            The bible says God told this stupid dude to kill his son, and right as he’s about to kill his child, “God says, psych…just kidding. I wanted to see if you would do it.” Come the f*ck on! To even consider murdering your child because of voice tood you too is the perfect example of a brainwashed moron! Which seems to be exactly what religious and idiots like you are.

        2. There is many biological factors that deem a person “gay” as there as psychological, and theories can be proved, such as thermodynamics and quantum entanglement, homophobia is just as bad as rasicm, people have no right to decide other peoples sexual orientation based on their religion or science

        3. I think it is hilarious that people “like you” are so blind that your only defense to back up your rediculous comments is to go around calling people who don’t follow you sheep-like beliefs ignorant imbicils! THAT, is sad and pathetic.

      2. i hate gays, seriously if i could put all of them on their own island then burn it, i would be so relieved, such disgusting bile humans. gays act like they like to be girls best friend but all they do is make fun of us, and then cry when others make fun of them, they should all burn in hell! i fucking hate them and their flamboyant shit, acting like women and competing with us for dick that clearly they shouldn’t even naturally crave.

        1. That’s very “christian” of you, Talia, but no one cares about your pathetic feelings. Get a life and stop worrying about things that don’t concern you. And there is plenty of dick to go around.

        2. You are a sad, sad sorry person. Your ignorance is almost unbelievable, it sounds like you are jealous of gay men, and your comments, sound like you have a personal vendetta against gay men perhaps because a gay man once made you cry. God doesn’t spread hate, and loves ALL his children, gay or straight. You are angry and hateful and ignorant, I pray for you my friend.

          1. That is true god still loves his children, lesbian or not, but he would rather you not sin. Well, another thing on “The Reasons Why God Died” list. The thing at really gets under my skin is now how this is legal, same gender marriage, to put at the very least. The white house, and other people celebrated this with a rainbow! The reason we don’t get world destroying floods! I do have in fact two friends who believe we should celebrate for this. I’m not going to hold back saying I’m christian, but I am still friends with them. Even if I have to endure the occasional,” I just got this girls phone number!” Or ” In this anime, God and Satan are lesbian and in love.” ( Not going to say how that conversation started up, but it was really awkward in the end.) There is a verse I read in the bible describing how the sinners can continue to sin, and the holy can be holy, for God is coming soon. All people will see him, and all the people you hate, love, know, and don’t know will bow down to him. I like to call it the best “spoiler alert” ever. Heh, anyhow, lesbian or not, they will eventually give in.

          2. Leviticus 20:13King James Version (KJV)

            13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

            Do you not read the bible my friend?

        3. You can’t be a bile human. Its vile!!!! At least most bisexual, gay or gender neutral people take pride in their language and use it appropriately, but i guess because hating of humans is not a sin and neither is ignorance you just rock on brother.

        4. Yeah?Well guess what Thalia?Does it matter who loves who?The fact that you’re arguing on marriage.Imagine how stupid this world will look in twenty years,considering back then they were fighting for equality BASED ON SKIN TONE and you are all arguing on who loves who.And seriously,how can you even look at yourself in the mirror and argue about something like this when there are starving,dying,homeless kids around the world.And if you think without gays the world will be better,you’re stupid because what this world needs is more love,wether it’s gay or not.

        5. HAHAHA please tell me this is a joke. omw you one of those pathetic people in life who has nothing and no one and now you looking for someone to blame shame. its people like “YOU” that make men want to be gay because you’re a pour excuse for a women. maybe you should start acting like a women and go wash your dirty mouth out with soap.

          1. “Obviously gay parents will raise gay children because straight parents only raise straight children.” really my parents are straight yet im gay. where do people come up with this shit. people are so obsessed with gay people yet there are worse things happening in our world. and then they are always wanting to bring the bible in, using it like a weapon but im pretty sure the bible says something about not judging others and only he who is God can do that…but here u are judging others on there lifestyles.

    2. And you Christians* are free to continue only marrying people of the opposite sex. Just don’t try to make your particular religious beliefs the law of the land and restrict the freedom of others who have different beliefs.

      *I was playing the odds on guessing you’re a Christian, but the statement applies equally no matter what religion you might be.

      1. All we are trying to do is tell you what your Creator says about your sin. We are trying to save you from the judgment to come. Whether you believe it or not, one day you will stand before Jesus Christ to give an account to Him. Only then will you realize that we were right and you were wrong. What you need to see is that you are fighting against the very ones who are trying to save your life. Have you ever seriously sought to know God your Creator and asked Him to reveal Himself to you?

    3. I don’t believe being gay is a choice, however I do believe being straight sometimes is. I mean those homophobic religious zealots who say “homosexuality is a choice” seem to have first hand experience with the matter. Maby every morning when they wakeup they have to CHOOSE to ACTIVLY SUPPRESS their homoerotic dreams. Maby every time they look at someone of the opposite sex they have to remind themselves “I’m supposed to find this person attractive because that’s what GOD wants”.
      To put it in simpler terms, those who claim ” homosexuality is a choice” aren’t lying to us the enlightened, rather to them selves, the intentionally and actively ignorant.

    4. Gays are not right they can’t physically have children (naturally) and are not, like Brian said following what God has laid out before us

  1. The problem with society today is that gays have lied to themselves and others for so long that some people actually believe that its okay… Am I the only one who sees the problem?

    1. The “only one”? No. But the majority of us don’t see same-sex marriage as a problem. And since you didn’t explain what you meant by “the problem” we’re left to speculate. That being said, we’re heard all of the objections to same-sex marriage before and none of them are a valid reason to deny same-sex couples the right to marry.

      1. The problem with society is that there are people out there who are straight and are being bullied to support gays ,I have been bullied to support gays and I got to a Christian school but I still get bullied. Some gays will bring their children (adopted ones) up saying gay is right when they haven’t got a clue what gay is. Gays do choose to be gay because a guy in my class used to be straight but he started being gay at 12 years old. He emailed random people saying he want penis and that in itself is just disgusting and wrong some of those people were girls even.

        1. No one chooses to be gay. Your friend was clearly gay the whole time, but came out at 12 years old. Instead of ridiculing him and calling him disgusting, why not support him like a true friend would?

    2. there is no problem love doesn’t have its limits if a boy and a boy love each other they should be left alone and not separated the same for girls because thats what makes people depressed mostly is losing their love so people are technally killing others so you can shut your mouth!!!

  2. OH MY GOD. I CAN’T BELIEVE WHAT I JUST READ. I HAVE MANY GAY FRIENDS. AND I AM NOT INFLUENCED AT ALL. WOW. WHY CANT WE JUST ACCEPT PEOPLE FOR WHO THEY ARE. YOU ARE MAKING THEM FEEL ASHAMED AND ARE MAKING THEM SUICIDAL. THEY ARE PEOPLE TOO. SO SHOVE THE IGNORANCE UP YOUR ASS AND GET OVER YOURSELVES.

      1. Depending on where people live and what they have been raised to believe, get a really wrong picture of homosexuality. “My mother said Gays are horrible people who do horrible things”, then others say “Yea! We support that kind of shit!”, they will be confused as hell. I think that is the misunderstanding. They also don’t want to go behind their own faith, so that could play a role. ( I have not read the Christian Bible, so I can not really say anything about it.)

        1. Hey, the bible is not a bad read. But to let you know, starting right at the beginning is not a good idea. You don’t need to purchase one either, but look it up on the interweb. (if it’s called that anymore. )

    1. Finally, I found someone that doesn’t try to sugar coat it. I am straight and have been faithfully married for 20 years. My brother and his partner are gay and my brother has two kids from a previous heterosexual marriage. I think that religion plays too big a part in this political decision. If we are going to claim separation of church and state then religious people shouldn’t be allowed to hold an office. And, is marriage religious or legal through the state. It can’t be both. God did not create man in his image. If he did then he is a lying, thieving, murdering child molester (that’s GAY) with every disease that children are born with. Go to a place like Texas children’s hospital. Then decide how fair and just your God is.

      1. Hey if gays are ok and if we let them be why do you have to marry gay people by law is the US otherwise you will be fined and apparently the people against gays are taking away gays freedom but they are taking away others freedom by forcing them to marry people even when they refuse.

    2. Did you even read the part where we said he was being sarcastic and that he himself is gay? You f!cking moron.

    1. I would like to hear how wanting equal rights for all is “sexist” but forcing people to only marry one particular sex is not. Doesn’t make any sense what so ever. You may disagree, but your opinion that gay marriages are “sexist” shows just how deep your ignorance lies.

    2. Not all gay people are sexist. You wanna know what’s really discusting? Hateful people like you, Kate. Gay people are humans too and they deserve rights too. Prejudice and narrow minded people like you make me sick. You seriously need to talk to a therapist about your homophobia.

      1. How can u say being gay is ok …. It’s immoral …. There is a huge problem with this world we r leaving in .. There is a female and male for a reason .. May god forgive you

        1. That is your opinion, which is based solely on your religious beliefs. I would say the world has much bigger problems than allowing two people of the same sex to love each other, like poverty, disease, and a planet damaged beyond repair.

        2. If it’s oh so ‘immoral’ then why do animals practice homosexuality as well as humans? Do they also choose to be horrible, no good, very bad, sinners? No, they don’t. Animals have no choice to which sex they are attracted to. God made animals too, right? So if animals, without a choice on which sex they choose as a partner, are homosexual doesn’t that tell you a bit of how our world was set up? Yes, there is a man and a woman for a reason, to populate. Scientists believe that homosexuality is a type of population control. Honestly, you might want to look up from the bible every once in a while and really look around you. But now, I have a question for you, because honestly I want to know. Besides God saying ‘homosexuality is sin’ what bothers you SO MUCH about gays?

          Here’s a couple articles about homosexuality among animals. Read it and inform yourself.

          http://www.religioustolerance.org/ashford01.htm

          http://m.livescience.com/44464-bonobo-homosexuality-natural.html

          http://m.livescience.com/16138-gay-animals-bonobos-dolphins.html

          http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

      1. @someone — God said that marriage is one man and one rib. Then the man and his rib had sex, made babies, had incestuous sex with those children and populated the earth. Some story.

      2. Realy? Your using the Bible as a guide to “moral sexuality”? The bible says if you’re drunk its OK to f..k your daughters, that women are so lustful they enjoy sex with giants and that its OK to rape someone if they’re a slave (which the Bible also says is OK)

        Have you actually read the poorly written book which you based your ” faith” upon?

    3. One day “Kait” you’ll be able to come out to your family, God knows the reality of your sexual desires whether you choose to acknowledge socially or not. Be true to your self, you cannot lie to the omnipotence.

  3. @ Brian: Well done. Your list has taken on a life of its own and is being quoted elsewhere, which is how I discovered your blog. As for people not understanding irony, the fact that your disclaimer in the yellow boxes is even necessary illustrates the sad dumbing down of society that’s everywhere in evidence.

  4. What about if a person is born intersex? Both male and female reproductive organs. What if a true hermaphrodite identified themselves as a male and was sexually attracted to females? Would the church deny them marriage just because the person just so happened to be born with both genitals?

    1. Hi fadetoblack, technically all intersexed individuals are from a biological stand point men. They all have an x and y chromosome. An in depth study of these individuals sexual habitats and desires could be a good way to examine nurture vs nature.

    1. Don’t know what you are talking about, if this pisses people off then this is a satire so i think he did perffect haha

  5. Brian,

    I have to say that you write really well. I found myself smiling, despite myself. By the way, commiserations regarding the people who don’t realise this was good satire. Next time you’ll have to hang out a big flag.

    Just one or two points of disagreement. I have always thought of marriage as a religious institution and tend towards the idea that it’s up to each institution to decide what it believes in. I find it odd that someone would get any satisfaction from successfully petitioning the government to force the Christian church to (pretend to) sanction gay marriage when we all know it is against it. If I were gay I would want nothing to do with an organisation that thinks I’m a sinner. And if the church tries to ‘remain relevant’ by simply coming into line (with a delay of a decade or two) with larger social trends, then I can see no value in the church at all. For me, its only value could be to act as a counterweight to secular trends and governmental fiats. Though I am an atheist, I would prefer the church to stick to its guns, to be a rock of ages in a sea of ever-changing morals and cultural relativism. If it isn’t that, then what is it for?

    Another point is that I have been influenced by the (gay) writer Lee Harris. He has lived with his partner for decades and is opposed to gay marriage. He feels that since the 1960s ordinary American have been forced to take part in the social experiments that progressive liberal intellectuals have forced on them. These average people have largely done so uncomplainingly since they are on the whole a good lot (as your parents seem to be). Harris believes that perhaps it is now time to stop forcing these people to live according to the progressive liberal dream and let them live according to their own traditional beliefs for a while.

    Finally, though not really connected with gay marriage, was your comment about segregated black schools. Black children tend to fail whether they are at all-black or mixed schools and whichever country they live. This is not only an American problem. The great black economist Thomas Sowell puts this down to post-1964 black culture, exacerbated by well-meaning but counter-productive liberal policies intended to help blacks. J.P. Rushton on the other hand sees the problem as both cultural and genetic (there is no purely genetic aspect to any human social problem). Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson and Barakc and Michelle Obama see this as a result of white racist oppression, whether conscious or not, or a legacy of slavery. You can take your pick (I pick Rushton though Sowell has some great argument) but I don’t think your analogy of segregated schools is a good one.

    1. Thanks for your comment! It is nice to see one of worth, since I typically get replies from people who don’t understand sarcasm or want to tell me how horrible I am. =)

      I agree that religious institutions shouldn’t be forced to sanction marriages they disagree with, but I disagree with your statement about churches remaining the same through the ages regardless of the circumstances. It all boils down to interpretation of scripture, and the United Church of Christ (my denomination) has been accepting gays into leadership positions since 1985, and endorsed gay marriage in 2005. There are, after all, only a handful of verses in the Bible that get used against homosexuality, and none are referring to monogamous, same-sex relationships as we know them today.

    2. @Rob Martin — re: “Black children tend to fail whether they are at all-black or mixed schools and whichever country they live.” What a ridiculous statement. Black children, like all children, tend to thrive when given the proper tools, care, compassion, understanding and guidance.

  6. “It all boils down to interpretation of scripture”

    Yes, I’m sure with enough creative interpretation ‘Mein Kampf’ can be interpreted as a love song to the Jews while the Koran can be turned into an early text on women’s right and religious freedom. Personally I prefer to read than to interpret and trust that the translators knew their job. Still, what do simple-minded literalists know?

    “There are, after all, only a handful of verses in the Bible that get used against homosexuality…”

    Perhpa they are ‘used against’ homosexuality because they are anti-homosexual? And how many verses would be enough for you to regard the bible as anti-gay? Are Christians who believe the Bible looks on homosexuality as a sin misreading it or is this once again a question of interpreting things in the way that best suits you?

    ‘…and none are referring to monogamous, same-sex relationships as we know them today.’

    I suspect that if the author of the Leviticus had really intended what you are suggesting then he could have written, ‘It is an abomination for one man to lie with another, unless, of course, they are in a monogamous relationship’. Yet this is not what he wrote. Still, if we are interpreting freely, why can’t the text be made to infer that?

    Sorry if I appear to be a bit Picky, Brian, especially as I am neither anti-gay nor religious. I guess I am just anti-interpretation when you reach a point where nothing actually means anything any more.

    1. You are interpreting anything you read as you read it. You and I could read the exact same verse and come away with a different meaning. If everyone got the same meaning, we would have one Christian denomination instead of hundreds.

      If you are really interested in learning more about the debate over homosexuality within the Christian community, then I would suggest “What The Bible Really Says About Homosexuality” by Daniel L. Helminiak, Ph.D.

      1. I am gay and have always had to argue with my family over my sexuality contrasting with their belief systems. I find that it is useless to argue with those less understanding and even intelligent ourselves. For those of us who have passed along our unfounded belief in God ( faith not being proof as, in fact, the definition for faith is to believe in an idea despite any evidence for, and even evidence to the contrary) to those deserving of it. After all we are taught to give our outgrown toys to those unfortunates among us :)

    2. @Rob Martin — re: “Personally I prefer to read than to interpret and trust that the translators knew their job.” Trusting that the translators knew their job is one of the reasons that homosexuals are so maligned by many Christians. What if their job was to twist Scripture to support their biases?
      English translations of this verse are not a great deal of help. Bible publishers are under strong economic pressures to turn a profit. If a translation of Leviticus 18:22 were included that did not generally condemn at least male homosexual behavior, confidence in the translation would drop precipitously and their sales would drop equally fast. They are unlikely to deviate from traditional interpretations, unless they were preparing a translation specifically for Christian and Jewish liberals.

      Leviticus 18:22 is one of the verses most used to condemn gay people. It seems pretty straight forward if you read it literally, but which translation are you going to use? And will you read it literally, or will you try to understand the meaning of them in their historical and cultural context? Let’s look at a few of the many translations:

      ESV: (English Standard Version): “You shall not lie with a man as with a woman; it is abomination.”
      KJV: (King James Version): “Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind: it is abomination”.
      LB: (Living Bible): “Homosexuality is absolutely forbidden, for it is an enormous sin”
      Net Bible: “You must not have sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman; it is a detestable act.” 1
      NIV: (New International Version) “Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.”
      NLT: (New Living Translation): “Do not practice homosexuality; it is a detestable sin.”
      RSV: (Revised Standard Version): “You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.”

      Which is the correct translation?

      Obviously, it is important for a student of the Bible to resolve exactly what behavior is forbidden.
      Is it:

      – All homosexual behavior, by either men or women, or
      – All sexual behavior between two men, or
      – Only anal sex between two men, or
      – Only anal sex in a Pagan temple ritual, or
      – Sexual activity between two men in a woman’s bed?

      Also, is the behavior forbidden to ancient Israelites, or modern-day Jews, or all males regardless of their religion, or all males and females, or some combination of the preceding. Unfortunately, there is no consensus on the meaning of this verse. Many people tend to select that interpretation that most closely reinforces their initial biases about the Bible and homosexual behavior.

      The LB and NLT translations use the term “homosexuality” That is unusually deceptive for three reasons:

      1. The passage in the ancient Hebrew is clearly talking about male-male sex acts. By using the word “homosexuality,” the English translation appears to condemn lesbian activity as well. The latter behavior is definitely not mentioned in the original Hebrew text of this passage. In fact, lesbian behavior is not mentioned anywhere in the Hebrew Scriptures.

      2. The term “homosexuality” has two distinct meanings in English. Sometimes it refers to sexual behavior (what some people do; their actions). Sometimes it relates to sexual orientation (what some people are; their feelings). One reader might conclude from an English translation that homosexual orientation is criticized in the Bible; others might assume that only homosexual behavior is criticized.

      3. The word “homosexual” was first used in the very late in 19th century CE. There was no Hebrew word that meant “homosexual.” Thus, whenever the word is seen in an English translation of the Bible, one should be wary that the translators might be inserting their own prejudices into the text.

      Do you see where I’m going with this? One must not only read but interpret, and understand Scripture in its historic and cultural context. In OT times loving, committed, same-sex couples didn’t exist as we know them today so of course the ancients who wrote the books of the Bible had no concept of them, which is why they didn’t write about them. A few translations of Leviticus 18:22 say that some sames-sex acts are an “abomination,” and that men engaging in such acts deserve to die. Well according to the Bible so too did adulterers, people who work on the Sabbath, mouthy children, non-virgin daughters of priests and witches. In Proverbs 6:16-19 we’re told, “There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.” See that? God HATES liars. He calls them an ABOMINATION. We’re told that again in Proverbs 12:22, “Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord, but those who act faithfully are his delight.” If we’re going to condemn The Gays shouldn’t we condemn all liars as well? Gays make us a mere 1% of the population. I’d say the lies of liars are far more damaging to society than a same-sex couple that wants to get married.

  7. I am interested in the subject but not to the extent that I would go out and buy a book about it. Instead I will happily take your word for it that the Bible is not anti-gay.

    1. @Rob Martin — It depends on how one reads and interprets the Bible. I see the handful of passages that are used to condemn gay people as a snapshot into the life and times of people who lived more than 2000 years ago. While there are some passages that condemn some forms of same-sex activity we have to ask ourselves why that is, if the OT laws apply to Christians today (most say that they don’t…unless they want to use the Levitical passage to condemn gays), and how literally we’re going to take them. Leviticus 20:9-10 says that children who curse their parents and adulterers should be stoned to death. Deuteronomy 21:18-21 says the same thing – a stubborn child should be stoned to death. In Deuteronomy 22:28-29 we’re told that a rape victim must marry her rapist. Not even a die-hard literalist would say the we should stone disobedient children and force rape victims to marry their rapists. When presented with these passages we’re told, “You’re taking them out of context!!” Ah…so taking passages out of context is wrong if they don’t support an anti-gay agenda but A-OK if they do. Got it.

  8. How can someone come up with these things homosexuality is sin as describe in the bible.
    “God created man in His image; in the Divine image he created him; male and female He created them. God blessed them, saying: ‘Be fertile and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it.’” (Gen. 1:28-29)

    The same was taught by Our Savior Jesus Christ: “From the beginning of the creation, God made them male and female. For this cause a man shall leave his father and mother; and shall cleave to his wife.” (Mark 10:6-7).

    Genesis also teaches how God punished Sodom and Gomorrah for the sin of homosexuality: “The Lord rained down sulphurous fire upon Sodom and Gomorrah. He overthrew those cities and the whole Plain, together with the inhabitants of the cities and the produce of the soil.” (Gen. 19:24-25)

    Repent of your ways (Revelation 3:3)
    Remember, therefore, what you have received and heard; obey it, and repent. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.

    (Romans 2:5) says
    But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed.

    Book of (Ezekiel 18:21) says
    But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.

    Listen and repent now before is to late don’t build up more wrath for when God comes do it now there’s still time.
    REPENT

    God Bless You
    Jesus Loves You

    1. @ Kati: If the commandments to to be fertile and multiply automatically discount same-sex unions, then shouldn’t infertile couples be banned from marriage? Also, Sodom & Gomorrah’s sin was pointed out later in scripture as being arrogance and lack of hospitality.

      “Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.” Ezekiel 16:49 NIV

    2. @Kati Mira — You don’t understand the story of Sodom and Gomorrah. Ezekiel 16:49-50 tells us,
      “Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.” See that? The residents of Sodom — a.k.a. Sodomites — were full of pride, gluttonous, lazy, arrogant (haughty) and they ignored the needs of the poor. We’re also told that they “committed abomination,” which has been translated to read: homosexuality, but that’s not present in the earliest texts. In Genesis 18:4-5 we’re told, “But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.” What’s that? All of the men and boys from S&G came to “know” (rape) the strangers. Since there’s no way that EVERY MALE was homosexual this can only mean one thing — S&G were destroyed because of laziness, pride, gluttony, arrogance and the fact that the men like to gang r@pe strangers (inhospitality).

  9. “If the commandments to to be fertile and multiply automatically discount same-sex unions, then shouldn’t infertile couples be banned from marriage?”

    Couples generally only find out that they are fertile or infertile after they have got married, not before. For your point to be valid everyone would have to undergo a fertility test before being allowed to get married.

    1. @Rob Martin — Couples need no undergo fertility tests to apply for a marriage license, and then marry, as procreation is not a prerequisite of either civil or religious marriage. The Bible does say that people are to “be fruitful and multiply” but, as has already been established, some people are incapable of having children. Gay people fall into that category.

  10. @ Brian

    To answer your question biblically speaking if you go to the bible and read it, it will have all the answers for everything your looking for.
    If you have faith in the Lord everything is Possible.

    Concerning infertile couples (Hebrews 11:11) says
    Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.

    This bible verse shows us that even though Sara wasn’t able to have kids she had faith in the Lord and the Lord gave them their son whom’s name was Issac.

    Concerning Sodom and Gomorrah
    Why would God only destroy the city for lack of hospitality?
    I’ll use the same verse you used in The New Living Translation so we can understand it better.

    (Ezekiel 16:49)
    Sodom’s sins were pride, gluttony, and laziness, while the poor and needy suffered outside her door.

    God destroyed the city because of is sin the people in the city just wanted to drink and party and fall in their ways they wanted nothing from the Lord.

    The bible says that we will not inherit the kingdom of God if we have sin in us.

    (1Corinthians 6:9-10) says
    Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

    If We accept Jesus Christ into our lives he will transform us and all the old things will come to pass we will be born new.

    (Isaiah 1:18)
    “Come now, let’s settle this,” says the LORD. “Though your sins are like scarlet, I will make them as white as snow. Though they are red like crimson, I will make them as white as wool.

  11. I seriously hope they never allow them to change their birth certificate. Then it will be one big game mine sweep when I start looking for girls… Besides, It doesnt even make sense, if all the gay people start getting all this surgery turning them selves in to girls or guys and then they marry another gay person that did the SAME thing, then who’s gonna be the dad and mom?!?!?! All I see is a bunch of confusion and arguments waiting to happen.

    1. I don’t remember where this originally came from, but Tyler’s popular video on this subject was posted in 2008. I posted this in 2006. ;)

  12. What is a gay ? Gay’s have right’s don’t they aren’t they human… So what is a gay right, some how this argument has become so important. We as people have so many other constructive thing’s we could pour our time and energy into. Think for a moment who in the bible got paid to marry people, I may be wrong but I don’t think a person, state , or federal system profited from marriage in the bible. So the argument boil’s down to we want to pay our money too, for what no one should charged for Love between people, rather Man and woman, or Man and man, woman and woman. This is what I think when the argument is presented $ and more of it. So save your money you work so hard for and be with who you want.

  13. Whether or not you favor marriage as a social institution, there’s no denying that it confers many rights, protections, and benefits — both legal and practical. Some of these vary from state to state, but the list typically includes:

    Tax Benefits
    •Filing joint income tax returns with the IRS and state taxing authorities.
    •Creating a “family partnership” under federal tax laws, which allows you to divide business income among family members.

    Estate Planning Benefits
    •Inheriting a share of your spouse’s estate.
    •Receiving an exemption from both estate taxes and gift taxes for all property you give or leave to your spouse.
    •Creating life estate trusts that are restricted to married couples, including QTIP trusts, QDOT trusts, and marital deduction trusts.
    •Obtaining priority if a conservator needs to be appointed for your spouse — that is, someone to make financial and/or medical decisions on your spouse’s behalf.

    Government Benefits
    •Receiving Social Security, Medicare, and disability benefits for spouses.
    •Receiving veterans’ and military benefits for spouses, such as those for education, medical care, or special loans.
    •Receiving public assistance benefits.

    Employment Benefits
    •Obtaining insurance benefits through a spouse’s employer.
    •Taking family leave to care for your spouse during an illness.
    •Receiving wages, workers’ compensation, and retirement plan benefits for a deceased spouse.
    •Taking bereavement leave if your spouse or one of your spouse’s close relatives dies.

    Medical Benefits
    •Visiting your spouse in a hospital intensive care unit or during restricted visiting hours in other parts of a medical facility.
    •Making medical decisions for your spouse if he or she becomes incapacitated and unable to express wishes for treatment.

    Death Benefits
    •Consenting to after-death examinations and procedures.
    •Making burial or other final arrangements.

    Family Benefits
    •Filing for stepparent or joint adoption.
    •Applying for joint foster care rights.
    •Receiving equitable division of property if you divorce.
    •Receiving spousal or child support, child custody, and visitation if you divorce.

    Housing Benefits
    •Living in neighborhoods zoned for “families only.”
    •Automatically renewing leases signed by your spouse.

    Consumer Benefits
    •Receiving family rates for health, homeowners’, auto, and other types of insurance.
    •Receiving tuition discounts and permission to use school facilities.
    •Other consumer discounts and incentives offered only to married couples or families.

    Other Legal Benefits and Protections
    •Suing a third person for wrongful death of your spouse and loss of consortium (loss of intimacy).
    •Suing a third person for offenses that interfere with the success of your marriage, such as alienation of affection and criminal conversation (these laws are available in only a few states).
    •Claiming the marital communications privilege, which means a court can’t force you to disclose the contents of confidential communications between you and your spouse during your marriage.
    •Receiving crime victims’ recovery benefits if your spouse is the victim of a crime.
    •Obtaining immigration and residency benefits for noncitizen spouse.
    •Visiting rights in jails and other places where visitors are restricted to immediate family.

    Same-Sex Marriage, Civil Unions, and Domestic Partnerships

    If you are in a same-sex marriage, you are now entitled to federal benefits under the recent U.S. Supreme Court case, U.S. v. Windsor. However, the rules for eligibility will vary by federal agency.

    Many federal agencies, such as the U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) and the U.S. Office of Personnel & Management look to the place of celebration (where the marriage was performed) to determine whether same-sex married couples are eligible for benefits. If you have a valid marriage, you will qualify for immigration status and federal employee benefits (if either of you works for the federal government), even if you live in a non-recognition state.

    The same goes for the IRS and eligibility for federal tax benefits. In August 2013, the U.S. Department of Treasury ruled that all same-sex couples that are legally married in any U.S. state, the District of Columbia, a U.S. territory or a foreign country will be recognized as married under all federal tax provisions where marriage is a factor.

    The Treasury Department further clarified that federal recognition for tax purposes applies whether a same-sex married couple lives in a jurisdiction that recognizes same-sex marriage (such as California) or a non-recognition jurisdiction (such as Texas). But the decision does not apply to same-sex couples in domestic partnerships or civil unions.

    See The IRS Will Recognize All Same-Sex Marriages, for more information about federal tax benefits for same-sex married couples.

    However, some federal agencies, such as the Social Security Administration, only recognize marriages that are valid in the state of domicile (where the couple lives) for the purposes of granting federal benefits. This means if you’re in a same-sex marriage, but you live in a non-recognition state, you aren’t eligible for Social Security benefits on your spouse’s work record. If you live in one of the 14 jurisdictions that recognize same-sex marriage, you will qualify for benefits. This rule also applies to Medicaid and Supplemental Security Income, Medicare, Bankruptcy filings, and benefits under the Family Medical Leave Act.

    If you are in a domestic partnership or civil union in any of the states that offer those relationship options, none of the benefits of marriage under federal law will apply to you, because the federal government does not recognize these same-sex relationships. For example, you may not file joint federal income tax returns with your partner, even if your state allows you to file your state tax returns jointly. And other federal benefits, such as Social Security death benefits and COBRA continuation insurance coverage, may not apply.

    To learn more about the rights and benefits available to same-sex couples, consult a lawyer with expertise in this area and see Making It Legal:A Guide to Same-Sex Marriage, Domestic Partnerships & Civil Unions, by Frederick Hertz with Emily Doskow (Nolo).

    Getting Married?

    If you are considering getting married, check out Nolo’s free articles on marriage requirements and prenuptial agreements.

    Updated by: Lina Guillen, Attorney
    This was copied and pasted , there are good points to marriage but again, marriage is about money.

  14. I think gay people should be marry because what if you, your kids, ect. where gay do you think you should be free and able express yourself.

  15. I don’t think you should relate the issue of gay marriage to the historical racism of African Americans. They were treated much worse and even after hundreds of years they are still disrespected. Give it time for people to get used to it and be more educated. Also the way you mock them in response to their opposition, doesn’t make you any better than the bigots.

  16. You are simply an IDIOT. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF YOU COULDN’T MARRY YOUR LOVER. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF YOU WERE LOOKED DOWN ON BY OTHERS 24/7. YOU INCONSIDERATE, COLD, HEARTLESS CREATURE!!!!!!!

    1. I wouldn’t call someone an “idiot,” when you didn’t even take the time to read the disclaimer printed in BOLD at the top of the article. I’m gay.

  17. This is the dumbest thing I have ever read in my life! Who ever wrote this is stupid and childish! The world has changes just like people have. The world isn’t the same as it was 50 years ago. We have develop and grown into a world that accepts differences in people. Race is out the picture, yes there are some people who still think blacks and whites shouldn’t be in the school none the less dating each other but guess what they are. There is nothing wrong with it. We are all humans fighting to survive a world that no one knows will end. Instead of worrying about what every one is doing worry about yourself. Allowing Gays to marry will not encourage others to be gay! Even if they not married they still going to be together and kids/people will still see them together holding hands and kissing. What are you going to do then? Not a dam* thing because there is nothing you can do. Its not natural, really what is natural these days. Allow people to marry whoever they wont because regardless if you allow it or not they will still be together. Women are now the head of the household, man stay home with the kids, they have kids without being married in the first place, divorce is common, and blacks marry whites. Marriage will not be less meaningful. You cant choice who you love or fall in love with. You just do. You don’t choice what your attracted to you just are. Marriage will mean the same for both parties. If you want to go there people get divorce more than they get married now that makes it less meaningful. So what if they can’t produce, they can adopt and one or both spouse may already have kids. Now what?! We have enough kids that don’t have parents why would you want the orphanages filled up. What good does that do. How bout help those dumb parents who laid down did the work and didn’t wanna finish the job and raise their kids or the mothers who don’t wanna believe there kids when they say daddy or the other man you bring around are hurting them. Why aren’t you worried about the kids already in the world instead of the unborn ones. You so hung up on this married is suppose to be this way well parents are suppose to be this way. And they are not. Gay parents do not raise gay children, you can’t force someone to be something they are not. You are not born being gay you learn that the same sex is what turns you on and you stick to it. You can’t help you find a guy activate and not a woman like you should (in the worlds eye). Children succeed without any parent so why can’t a child with two adult figures succeed. They can and they will. I am not Gay and I am a female. I have a man. I am mad because these 12 reason aren’t supported by anything. If people would let each other be this world would be a better place. If you get all those old people living in 1980’s out of the chair you might have people that actually living in the 2014 that understands the world is changing every day, week, month, and year.

  18. I can’t believe so many people didn’t understand it was satire. The fact that it had to even be stated is kinda disappointing.
    But yea, Brian, I love your post. I’ve seen this everywhere and it’s simply wonderful.
    I’m a vegan, and a lesbian, and I’ve had so many people tell me how horrible and unnatural both aspects of my lifestyle are, and how my choices affect theirs.
    Though, these are the people that think that meat is the only source of protein is meat, that God thinks bashing gay people is okay, and that their opinion matters to me at all.

    1. I know, right??? I used to have a highlighted box at the top and bottom of the post because so many people thought this was supposed to be serious. My current theme doesn’t support the boxes, so I hoped the disclaimer at the top would do the trick. No such luck! Thanks for your comment. =)

  19. this is probably just about the best thing i have ever read. So glad there are still people out there that are humorous and supportive of this cause.

  20. I think that stupid trolls are showing up here because the Google search doesn’t tell you about it being satire. (And also people are probably being paid to go down the line of searches, commenting as they go) If you can change the title to include “Satire” then it may help a little with the trolling problem. I do not know weather you can do that with this website. This reminds me of an essay I had to do last year, in eighth grade in which I wrote a satire about gun safety laws. Nobody in my class understood the sarcasm, so everyone thought I was a conservative nut job for the rest of the day.(I hate this stupid phone keyboard) :)

  21. Why cant people see that these are people too. They have feelings they have a life and your making them not want to live anymore. Your making them feel ashamed for who they are and we want people to be themselves. YOU CAN’T STOP PEOPLE FROM LOVING OTHERS! its too hard

  22. gays and womens rights are the same.Women must join the army to prove they are equal ,gays must get married to prove they are equal.dont make it competitive,be equal on your own terms.
    A woman can still be a equal without playing football.why cant gays still be equal without raising children?Since gays can not have children,what are you trying to prove.If you have all the same rights,why must you you be married the same way as a man and a woman,the two are distinctivly different.A man and a woman create babies,you must take an alternate route.are gays aware that politicians need there vote,puting whatever they may think or feel aside for the win?
    When it comes to gay men, are they aware that the rectum has a specific biological assignment,how is this form of sex natural?
    When it comes to women do they think men want them around them all the time , at a male sporting event why can women do interviews in mens lockerrooms ?equal rights?ok..at a womens hockey game can men do lockerroom interviews?haha.maybe we should start giving birth..oh yeah…we cant, does that make us less equal?If women are equal why do they continue seeking to be stay at home moms?I would also like to have the flexable schedule of a stay at home mom,nurture my children,so on,society still takes a dim view of that.so women have it both ways,
    is that not a double standard?
    Since women/gay rights are based on politics,you are aware that any world calamity would render thoughs rights moot? Men are still men , women are still women , that will never change.
    gays…have your rights , shut up and keep your doors closed.

    PS. I absolutly adore women….I do not like nor do I respect gays..and I have the RIGHT to say that
    goodbye.

  23. flip wilson here.you deleted my comments . If this is a place for the sharing of free thought,you have failed .
    it is easy to delete gay bashers , but when put in intellectual perspective the opinion must be exposed. Enjoy your fantasy.

    1. I didn’t delete your comments. Comments by new visitors have to be approved before they are visible – even the ones that don’t make a lick of sense. Having said that, if you become disrespectful or belligerent, I will delete your comments without batting an eye.

      I am always intrigued by straight guys who feel the need to come on here and describe the sexual activities of gay men. You point out the “specific biological assignment” of one part of the body, but who determines which parts of the body are acceptable for intercourse? Are mouths and hands off limits because they weren’t “designed” for sex? Better keep your hands off a woman’s breasts during sex, because those puppies were made for providing milk to babies. I think we all realize that men will stick their junk just about anywhere their wife/girlfriend allows, so if you believe sex is always penile/vaginal, you are delusional.

      You also started off your comment by stating gay and women rights are the same, then end your comment by saying you adore women but do not like or respect gays. Just doesn’t add up. Maybe you shouldn’t worry so much about things that don’t affect you. ;)

  24. Gotta lay down the law on these christ tards, god didnt make you , mom and dad made you, the only people god made was adam and eve in the creation myth. Anywho let people love one another its the year2015 but dont worryas technology advances your supernatural myths in the bible become faker and faker, we dont hear stories of ghosts , demons, goblins, zombies etc except in third world countries . I see the bible koran and other texts in the fantasy section right next to greek mythology and the egyption gods soon.

  25. this girl is going against gay marriage …..somebody tell me why gay marriage should be legal everywhere?????

    1. A better question is… why shouldn’t it be legal? If you are going to deny loving couples the right to marriage, then you’d better have some good reasons.

  26. i honestly love reading these comments, not because of enjoyment but, because i am writing an essay of why Gay marriage should be allowed. I have been looking up and down like crazy searching for a site with great meaning to it and honesty. Just by reading almost every comment this whole two hours been GREAT. i have a much better understanding as to put statements into my paper. Brian love the way you think of things by the way :)
    Thank you,
    Esmeralda.

      1. I was raised a Christian, and still am a Christian. I, however, have never believed in a hateful God. I have never had the “fear of God” in me, because God is a person who loved everyone, regardless of who they love! We are all equally sinners. Humans condemn other humans. It makes me sad that people use God and religion to spread hate, because they got it wrong, they took their own interpretations of the bible in order to drive their personal vendetta against things and people they don’t like. The bible was also created thousands and who cares years ago, if it were written today by the same God, no doubt it would be more in line with the time. It is my belief that God looks sadly down upon those who use religion to hate, and condemn others because of their own ignorance, not Gods. God protects and loves ALL his children, and condemns none of them to hell, God is a loving God, a protecting God. God does not care about who we love and choose to marry, all he cares about it humans loving each other, and living lives that follow in his footsteps; if you recall correctly, in the Bible, Jesus Christ would never leave a fellow person behind, regardless of their beliefs or actions. I constantly bang up against my parent’s beliefs, they use their mis-understanding of the Bible to spread ill-interpreted ideas about sin, and God’s beliefs, however they would never believe in hating people for their sexual orientation, and they are amazing people who spread love. Still, even they get the messages wrong, and it saddens me that they believe in almost a scary God, who is to be feared.
        I came across this poem, and I think it is so on point, I just have to share.

        God Told Me a Secret

        God told me a secret last night before bed, he leaned into my ear and silently said:
        I love you my child, I really do.
        I hate none of my children, it really is true.
        But I am real angry, not with the gay, bi or straight,
        I am angered with those who only spread hate…
        This world I created is now such a sad place…
        It has been ruined by the human race.
        Why should it matter who my children date?
        It is their life, so you shouldn’t spread hate!
        And then when you say, ‘I hate because of religion’,
        You need to open your eyes and see that hate’s YOUR decision.
        You can choose between peace or spreading this hate,
        You can choose to love the gay, bi and straight.
        But as soon as you choose to hold some dumb useless grudge,
        Know that it’s you who I will judge!
        All my children from all around the globe, stop being hateful homophobes.
        All my other creatures can get along great;
        Why is it only humans who choose to spread hate?
        I am so angry, so filled up with rage,
        My children, you must end this terrible age.
        Haven’t you learned from your bad history?
        Why humans can’t see is a mystery…
        See, there is no difference between you and I; you can love anyone; girl, both or a guy.
        I still love all my children with my heart and soul.
        Just please stop the hate.
        You all need to stand up for one another!
        Whether stranger, friend, sister or brother.
        I will not damn my good children to Hell.
        But the ones who spread hate, I might as well.
        So for all my children who hold a hateful grudge, know that it is you I will angrily judge.
        And then he left, with tears in his eyes…
        Looking down at this world as he silently cries…
        God told me a secret last night before bed, he leaned into my ear and silently said:
        I love you my child, I really do.
        I hate none of my children, it really is true.
        But I am real angry, not with the gay, bi or straight.
        I am angered with those who only spread hate…
        This world I created is now such a sad place…
        It has been ruined by the human race…

        Spread tolerance, love, and tolerance❤️

        1. I am honestly so glad to see this comment.
          I am not christian, nor will I ever be, but it is wonderful to see those who accept everyone.

  27. Ok, those are all invalid facts, millions of straight couples have GAY, AND STRAIGHT, children, and excuse me but, where have you been for the passed hundred years. You are just a sad, Gaycist, and sexist nobody. Next time, make something like this again, but with actual VALID FACTS, since apparently you don’t understand what that means. Btw, can you please make valid facts that actually make sense.

    1. Next time, maybe you could bring yourself to read the disclaimer at the very TOP of the page which says this is supposed to be funny. Then maybe you could grow yourself a sense of humor.

  28. i don’t really have no ambition you know.
    i only have one thing I’d really like to see happen.
    I’d like to see mankind live together.
    black, white, chinese,gay, lesbian, hetero, everyone. thats all.

  29. God and Christians do not hate gay….we hate what they ate doing….

    God will punish them like what happend to Ssodom and Ggomora….and they will end up in hell..

    God love gay people but hated their SINS!!!!!!!!!!!

  30. if a straight person said this to me my response would be “how my bees do you actually have up your ass right now and why do you exist?”

    1. are you gay cause if u are i think that this page is bullshit and i hate that some1 would do this this is so stupid. im doing about homophobia in skl and we watched a video about gay people and i loved it, it was so interesting and i support every gay they are just as normal as a straight person

  31. No fuck you and your gay horse! Gays shouldnt be considered humans.they shouldnt be allowed to get married, and anyone who supports them, should be ashamed for encouraging that shit.!

    1. I’m genuinely confused rn just… why don’t gays have rights

      It’s not a choice
      It’s not cool or anything

      this is like saying blacks don’t have rights

  32. i hate these points! people dont get gay because their parents are you are born gay and acknowledge that as you get older and understand love more but these points are just so homophobic and i cant believe someone would make a whole website on this i think this is bullshit

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